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Buddhist Ethics and Skillful Action: APath Beyond Right and Wrong

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Robert Thurman
Oct 30, 2015
10 min read

TLDR: Buddhist ethics, as explained through the Dalai Lama's secular ethics framework, is not about absolute right and wrong but about skillful and unskillful actions—those that move us toward happiness and freedom from suffering. The approach applies equally to believers and non-believers, drawing on the insight that humans are fundamentally interdependent mammals whose well-being depends on kindness and altruism. Rather than imposing religious doctrine, Buddhist ethics offers a practical blueprint for ethical behavior rooted in understanding how our actions ripple through our own minds and the world around us.

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What Is Buddhist Ethics Beyond Right and Wrong?

Robert Thurman begins from a deceptively simple observation: the basic aim of every animal, including humans, is to avoid pain and achieve happiness. This is not a moral pronouncement but a biological fact. The Dalai Lama, in his book Beyond Religion: Ethics for a Whole World, uses this foundation to argue that ethical behavior needs no religious wrapper—it flows naturally from understanding what actually makes beings flourish.

Buddhist ethics, as Thurman presents it, translates into what he calls the "ten-fold path of skillful and unskillful action." Rather than framing morality in absolute terms of right versus wrong, Buddhism asks: Does this action help or harm? Does it move me and others closer to genuine happiness, or does it entrench us in suffering?

This distinction is crucial. Thurman emphasizes that Buddhist philosophy differs fundamentally from Western thought in how it treats truth claims. In Buddhist science (where philosophy and science are not separated as dramatically as in the modern West), there is one hermeneutic rule: only the pure negation of absolutes is definitive. This means all teachings about relative reality are themselves relative—valid within context but not absolutely true in themselves. This isn't nihilism; it's precision about how language and reality relate.

Why Is Interdependence the Foundation of Ethics?

Thurman uses a biological and anthropological argument to ground ethics in human nature. Humans are mammals who depend utterly on the care of others for many years—not just infancy, but through adolescence and beyond. A human being cannot thrive, and initially cannot survive, without kindness from others. Parents make extraordinary sacrifices: mothers literally allow their bodies to be used as a life-support system for another being. This is, at its core, altruistic activity.

The point is not sentimental. It is foundational. Because humans are born helpless and must receive care, altruism and mutual interdependence are not additions to human nature—they are intrinsic to it. Thurman notes that even those who identify as non-believers, secularists, or scientific materialists participate in this basic mammalian reality. The Dalai Lama has argued that among the world's billions, there are between one and one-and-a-half billion non-believers, yet they too must navigate ethics and meaning.

If this interdependence is real, then ethical behavior—acting in ways that support rather than undermine the well-being of others—is not a burden imposed from outside. It is a reflection of how things actually are. When you harm another, you ultimately harm the web you depend on. When you cultivate kindness, you strengthen the conditions on which your own flourishing rests.

How Does Understanding Emptiness Change Ethical Action?

Central to Buddhist thought is the concept of emptiness, often mistranslated as nothingness. Emptiness, in Buddhist philosophy, means that all relative things are empty of intrinsic, independent, absolute identity. This is not metaphysical speculation; it is nearly tautological. By definition, something relative cannot have an absolute nature—those terms are opposites.

Why does this matter for ethics? Thurman suggests that the human cognitive, emotional, and instinctual habit is to treat things and people as if they have fixed, absolute natures. We see someone as "the enemy," "the villain," "the obstacle"—and that fixed label becomes their reality in our minds. This habit of treating relative things as absolute is, in Buddhist diagnosis, the root cause of suffering.

Understanding emptiness doesn't mean denying that things exist or that distinctions matter. It means seeing that everything is in flux, interdependent, and malleable through understanding and intention. A person labeled "enemy" is not absolutely enemy-natured; they are a being caught in suffering, shaped by causes and conditions, capable of change. When you truly grasp this, the ethical imperative shifts. Harming them is like harming yourself—not because of mystical unity, but because you are all caught in the same web of interdependence and mutual influence.

What Are Skillful and Unskillful Actions in Practice?

Thurman sketches the ten-fold path through both its unskillful and skillful aspects. The unskillful actions—killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, false speech, divisive speech, harsh speech, gossip, covetousness, malice, and wrong view—are not arbitrary taboos. Each one undermines the possibility of genuine happiness because each one damages the web of trust and interdependence on which we all depend.

Take killing. Thurman observes that if you become a killer, you end up living in a state of perpetual defense, armor-like, unable to relax. You must hide, fear retaliation, justify yourself endlessly. The psychological and social cost is immense. The opposite—respecting life—allows you to move through the world more openly, without that burden of guilt and fear.

Or consider divisive speech: speaking in ways that cause people to dislike each other, to turn against one another. In a workplace, in a community, in a family, such speech fractures the networks of cooperation and mutual support that hold things together. It makes the world smaller and more hostile. Generosity and lovingness, by contrast, expand your capacity to be effective and to receive support in return.

The ethical imperative is not "you should be good." It is "if you want to be happy, and if you understand that others want to be happy too, then these are the actions that actually work toward that aim." This is why Thurman can say that Buddhist ethics applies equally to believers and non-believers—it makes no claim about God, afterlife, or cosmic justice. It is based on observable cause and effect in this life, in this mind, in these relationships.

Why Is Love of Enemies Central to Ethical Life?

Thurman emphasizes that genuine ethical transformation requires what might seem impossible: the ability to love those who oppose or harm us. The Dalai Lama practices this not as sentimental forgiveness but as clear-eyed recognition that enemies, too, are caught in suffering and confusion. They act harmfully because they mistakenly believe it will bring them happiness.

This is not passive acceptance of harm. It is refusal to let enmity close your heart or narrow your ethical vision. When you can hold the perspective that even your enemy is a being struggling toward happiness (however misguided their methods), you are no longer imprisoned by reactive hatred. You retain the freedom to act, to protect others, to set boundaries—but from a larger, clearer place.

Thurman notes that conventional advice—"be loving if you've been guarding and defending yourself"—is backwards. You cannot defend yourself into openness. The practice is to recognize, gradually, consciously, that the defense posture itself is the prison. The enemy you thought you had to resist is partly a creation of your own defensive stance. When you relax that stance, reality shifts.

How Does This Framework Apply in the Workplace and Beyond?

Thurman was invited to Google to discuss how to bring spiritual values into secular settings—the workplace, institutions, daily life. The Buddhist ethical framework offers a blueprint precisely because it does not require belief in any particular religion or metaphysics. It rests on understanding what makes humans actually flourish.

In a workplace context, the ten-fold path translates directly: avoiding theft and dishonesty, not slandering colleagues or creating division, speaking truthfully, not taking what is not given, managing sexual conduct responsibly. These are not constraints imposed from outside; they are the conditions that allow trust, cooperation, and genuine productivity to emerge.

More subtly, the framework asks workers and leaders to examine whether their actions are skillful—whether they contribute to actual human flourishing or merely to narrow profit, status, or power. A business decision that maximizes short-term gain while undermining the well-being of employees, communities, or the environment is, in Buddhist terms, unskillful: it does not lead to lasting happiness because it is built on a denial of interdependence.

The spiritual dimension emerges not from abstract ideology but from practice: the gradual training of mind and action so that your choices align more consistently with what you understand to be true about how happiness and suffering actually work.

What Role Does Meditation Play in Ethical Transformation?

Thurman clarifies that meditation is not where understanding begins. Rather, meditation comes after one has intellectually clarified one's worldview. First you understand the logic: I am interdependent, others are like me, my actions ripple outward. Then meditation stabilizes and deepens that understanding until it becomes not merely intellectual but lived, embodied, intuitive.

When you meditate on the nature of self and others, you begin to feel directly what Buddhist philosophy describes intellectually. You notice how quickly defensive patterns arise, how thin the boundary between self and other really is, how much of your suffering comes from clinging to a fixed sense of who you are. This experiential knowledge is incomparably more powerful than philosophical argument.

But it is not achieved by faith. Thurman is clear that Buddhist realization is accomplished through understanding, through investigation, through direct seeing. You are invited to test the teachings against your own experience. Does practice reduce suffering? Does understanding others more deeply shift how you relate to them? The proof is in the living.

How Do We Actually Change Our Minds and Habits?

One of Thurman's key insights is that you are a work in progress. You are not a finished product with a fixed nature. This is not pleasant-sounding relativism; it is liberation. Because you are plastic, because your mind and patterns are shaped by causes and conditions, you can deliberately work to reshape them. The habits that cause suffering are not permanent. They are habits—which means they can be changed.

However, this requires recognizing the gradualness of the process. Thurman references the film Groundhog Day as a Bodhisattva story: the protagonist must live the same day over and over, slowly refining his consciousness and compassion, until he becomes the kind of person who can genuinely love. It might take a million lifetimes, he says, but the fact that genuine transformation is possible is what matters.

The ethical path is not about achieving perfection or moral purity. It is about aligning your actions—moment by moment, choice by choice—with what you understand to be true about happiness and suffering. Over time, this creates a positive feedback loop: as you act more skillfully, you experience more genuine well-being, which strengthens your understanding and motivation to continue.

Where to Go From Here

For those seeking to deepen this understanding, Thurman recommends beginning with the Dalai Lama's Beyond Religion: Ethics for a Whole World, which provides the secular, rational foundation for Buddhist ethics without requiring religious commitment. From there, exploring Buddhist texts on the ten-fold path and bodhisattva ethics offers both philosophy and practical guidance.

In daily life, the practice is to notice: What am I doing? Does this action, if I saw it clearly, move toward genuine happiness or away from it? Who is affected? How might my choice ripple? This kind of clear attention is itself transformative. Over time, understanding deepens from intellectual knowing to lived wisdom, and actions begin to shift naturally toward greater skillfulness.

The promise of Buddhist ethics is not that you will become perfect or that the world will become perfect. It is that by understanding how things actually are—our interdependence, our capacity for growth, the direct relationship between our actions and our experience—you can live with less suffering and more genuine happiness, and in doing so, you can help others do the same.

Transcript

[0:02] MING: Well, good afternoon, my friends.

[0:04] My name is Ming.

[0:05] I'm the Jolly Good Fellow of Google for one more

[0:07] week, because next week I'm retiring from Google.

[0:11] And this is the very last guest I am hosting at Google,

[0:16] and very fittingly, it is Professor Bob Thurman.

[0:21] Bob is a wonderful human being.

[0:25] Behind his back, we call him Buddha Bob.

[0:28] He's sort of like-- I think he should

[0:30] be more like Bob the Buddha, sort of like Bob the Builder,

[0:34] except with better karma.

[0:38] Bob the Buddha is considered the leading American expert

[0:42] on Tibetan Buddhism.

[0:44] In 1962, Bob became the first American

[0:48] to wear the robes of a Tibetan Buddhist monk

[0:51] outside of Halloween.

[0:56] Eventually, he left his job, and he became a professor

[1:00] at American University, and right now, he

[1:04] is a Jey Tsong Khapa professor of Indo-Tibetan Buddhist

[1:08] studies at Columbia University.

[1:12] He's also the president of the Tibet House, which

[1:15] he founded with this guy called Richard Gere, which you may

[1:18] or may have heard of, and also Philip Glass, which you

[1:21] may or may not have heard of.

[1:22] He's also the president of the American

[1:24] Institute of Buddhist Studies.

[1:26] He was see considered one of 25 most influential Americans

[1:31] in the 1997.

[1:33] And in 1998, he didn't do anything after that.

[1:38] He has been profiled in "The New York Times," in "People"

[1:41] magazine, in "Time," he has appeared on CNN, "The News

[1:45] Hour," Larry King, Oprah.

[1:47] He is close personal friends with the Dalai Lama.

[1:50] He knows all the dirt, so ask him later.

[1:53] He's also the father of Uma Thurman,

[1:55] so he knows the dirt as well.

[1:56] Ask him too.

[1:58] His hobbies are carpentry, landscaping, and saving

[2:02] the world.

[2:05] He's here to talk about his latest book,

[2:07] "Love Your Enemies."

[2:08] So now that I have this book, all I need is enemies.

[2:14] My friends, please welcome our dear friend, Bob Thurman.

[2:17] [APPLAUSE]

[2:21] ROBERT THURMAN: Thank you so much.

[2:23] Thank you, Ming.

[2:24] So sweet.

[2:25] That was very sweet.

[2:27] I really enjoy your introducing me more than talking.

[2:32] I'm sure.

[2:34] And just I'm doing this, or my wife will be mad at me if I

[2:38] don't.

[2:43] So great.

[2:44] So hi, everybody.

[2:47] I was asked to talk about ethics,

[2:49] and I just made a slide.

[2:52] I do have a lot of PowerPoint, but for some reason,

[2:54] I didn't feel like doing PowerPoint.

[2:55] So you probably get PowerPoints all the time

[2:57] on engineering problems and God knows what down here,

[3:01] so I didn't think I would do that while I was here.

[3:04] But then I decided I would make this one slide.

[3:07] And my talk takes off from a book

[3:10] that His Holiness the Dalai Lama wrote

[3:13] called "Beyond Religion-- Ethics for a Whole World."

[3:20] Have any of you ever seen that book or read it?

[3:22] Ming has, I'm sure, and a few people have.

[3:25] And what he does there is because His Holiness has always

[3:33] been trying to improve understanding

[3:35] between different kinds of groups of people who identify

[3:37] themselves as different from each other,

[3:41] and his main job there, one of his three main jobs in life,

[3:45] as he puts it, is to improve the mutual understanding

[3:48] of the world religions, because there's been so much conflict

[3:52] in history between them.

[3:53] But one thing that he does when he has meetings, world

[3:57] religious meetings, he always a little bit

[3:59] flummoxes the other world religious leaders

[4:03] by saying that there's another world religion which

[4:06] is secularism, which are nonbelievers, as he puts it.

[4:11] And he used to say-- I don't know the statistical basis

[4:14] of him saying that.

[4:15] I never did ask him.

[4:16] He used to say, if there are 4 billion people who believe

[4:19] in some religion or another, there are at least 1 billion

[4:23] or 1 and 1/2 billion who don't.

[4:25] That was a previous earlier count, I guess.

[4:28] Now we're up to seven.

[4:29] So I don't know how he does it just now.

[4:31] And they do have a belief, and they have a belief

[4:36] of what lies beyond death.

[4:37] They have a belief, and actually I

[4:40] think I can prove to anyone who wants to debate it that that is

[4:44] a faith belief actually, rather than an evidenced belief, which

[4:48] we can discuss.

[4:49] And so in that book, which he originally

[4:53] wanted to title "Secular Ethics," he wanted

[4:57] to show that there is a reason and a motive for human beings

[5:02] to be ethical, because it fulfills

[5:05] the aim of human beings, which finally, of course,

[5:08] like all animals, the aim of any animal is to avoid pain

[5:11] and to achieve happiness.

[5:14] Avoid suffering and achieve happiness.

[5:15] That's sort of the basic goal of everyone.

[5:18] Whatever other goals they may set themselves,

[5:21] no one wants to suffer.

[5:22] No one wants pain.

[5:24] Everyone wants pleasure and/or happiness,

[5:26] depending on how they define them.

[5:29] And then there's mental levels of pain

[5:31] and physical levels of pain.

[5:33] And so he wrote that book, and in the book,

[5:37] basically, he used sort of anthropological insights,

[5:42] pretty much, and some biological, a little bit

[5:46] of biological thinking of secularists

[5:49] or scientific materialists to prove

[5:52] that the human being as a mammal, as a being that when

[5:56] it's young is helpless for many years, at least a decade,

[6:02] at least till the teenage time, at which point

[6:05] the human being thinks they're independent.

[6:07] But the parents don't.

[6:10] The parents think they need help right up until they're

[6:13] parents themselves pretty much, and sometimes even after that.

[6:16] Grandparents get sucked in on babysitting and what have you.

[6:20] And I can attest to that.

[6:22] And so because of that, human beings

[6:25] do depend on the kindness of strangers, not only Mae West,

[6:28] but everybody.

[6:30] After all, the mammal conceives a new life,

[6:35] the more intelligent half of the mammals, that is-- the females.

[6:39] They allow a total stranger to come

[6:41] and have a condo in their belly, which is quite a thing.

[6:46] I think if guys think about it, I think you'd be hesitant.

[6:51] I would.

[6:52] I don't know about you, but suddenly, there's something

[6:55] down there, and it wants a different kind of food,

[6:58] and it wants this and that, and it kicks after awhile.

[7:01] And then it's a real pain more than

[7:04] in the neck to get it outside of yourself.

[7:06] And so that's all a bunch of altruistic activity

[7:13] of the females, and the males have to carry along.

[7:15] They have to end up helping, so mammals' basic nature

[7:22] is what he's trying to say.

[7:23] Buddhists don't like the idea of anything

[7:26] having an absolute nature.

[7:29] They have a wonderful hermeneutic principle

[7:32] in Buddhist thought, in Buddhist science, I should say,

[7:35] because in Buddhism, philosophy and science are not

[7:38] necessarily separated so dramatically as it has

[7:40] become in the West nowadays.

[7:44] But in Buddhist science, there is a rule, a hermeneutic

[7:50] or a rule of interpretation.

[7:51] And that is that there is only one kind of teaching that

[7:54] is considered definitive in meaning,

[7:57] and that kind is the pure negation of something of self,

[8:02] the negation of substance, the negation

[8:04] of any sort of a relative absolute, you could say.

[8:07] It's almost simplistic and so simple, actually.

[8:11] The famous concept of emptiness--

[8:13] we've all heard of it-- selflessness--

[8:15] these are famous concepts.

[8:16] And what these mean, they don't mean that things don't exist.

[8:19] Emptiness is not nothingness.

[8:21] Completely different word in any of the Buddhist languages.

[8:24] And what emptiness means is that all relative things are

[8:28] empty of any non-relative element

[8:30] or what they would call intrinsic reality,

[8:33] intrinsic identity, any sort of thing like that,

[8:36] which is really almost like it's a definition of the words.

[8:40] It's almost a tautological.

[8:41] If something's absolute, you can't relate, because absolute

[8:45] is the opposite of relative.

[8:47] And so if anybody comes up with some sort of an absolute

[8:50] and says it relates as some monotheistic teachings do,

[8:54] as some versions of Buddhism do, then they

[8:57] are simply misusing language, to use a Wittgensteinian

[9:01] expression.

[9:02] And so His Holiness, therefore, is very like a scientist,

[9:10] and great Buddhist philosophers are

[9:12] like scientists in that all teachings

[9:15] about relative reality are relative.

[9:17] That is to say more or less valid within a context.

[9:21] There is no absolute truth about relative things,

[9:25] if you follow me, except that none of them are absolute.

[9:30] That's the only one.

[9:31] That's really a logical thing.

[9:33] But why is that it?

[9:35] So it seems so simple like why is that a big thing?

[9:37] The reason it's a big thing is that the human bad habit,

[9:43] cognitive habit, emotional habit, instinctual habit that

[9:47] causes all suffering for human beings in Buddha's

[9:50] psychological and philosophical analysis

[9:53] is the feeling that we habitually have

[9:56] that we are absolute.

[9:58] The person has a feeling, the unenlightened person

[10:00] has a feeling that the one thing they are sure of-- for example,

[10:03] Descartes perfectly well illustrates-- stop vibrating--

[10:09] perfectly illustrated that when he decided

[10:13] that the one thing he was absolutely sure of

[10:16] was that he was worrying about what was absolute.

[10:20] In other words, he was thinking.

[10:22] That's the famous thing.

[10:23] He didn't need Buddhism for that.

[10:25] And everyone subconsciously or subliminally or instinctively

[10:29] feels something about themself is absolute, and therefore,

[10:33] when pressed in a corner of a life and death

[10:36] thing, like my life is the one absolute for me

[10:40] type of thing people feel that, which, of course,

[10:43] from Buddha's point of view is erroneous.

[10:45] His teaching of selflessness means that that's an error.

[10:48] That doesn't mean that I don't exist.

[10:50] It means that I am a relational being, not an absolute being.

[10:53] That means that other beings are equally as real and as

[10:57] important as I am, and that little shift of not being

[11:00] the absolute center of it all yourself,

[11:02] of coming to this viscerally understand

[11:04] that, first intellectually and philosophically understand

[11:07] that, and then viscerally understand it--

[11:09] that's the whole campaign of Buddhist teaching.

[11:12] Because once you do really understand--

[11:15] like I had an old Mongolian guru who

[11:18] had a couple of great sayings-- passed away a long time ago,

[11:21] but one of his great sayings was,

[11:23] everyone goes around-- this was three or four

[11:25] decades before "The Matrix."

[11:27] He said, everyone goes around secretly thinking, I'm the one.

[11:34] Therefore, I nearly fainted when they started on

[11:36] that in "The Matrix," going to see the oracle, who's the one,

[11:39] you know.

[11:40] So everybody secretly thinks, I'm the one.

[11:43] And then the second one is, people are not

[11:46] wrong to say that they are real.

[11:49] The problem is people think they're really real.

[11:53] So all it is.

[11:55] A lot of people misunderstand Buddhism and think

[11:57] that the big insight is that you don't exist,

[11:59] and then you're free, and everything is cool.

[12:01] And actually, there are certain modern Buddhists

[12:03] who think that scientific materialism ratifies that

[12:08] by discovering that you're just a brain

[12:10] bouncing around inside a skull box

[12:13] and running around until the brain gets tired,

[12:16] and you have a stroke or collapse or something,

[12:18] and then you don't exist anymore.

[12:20] So in a way, essentially, you don't exist.

[12:22] You're just a robot that is deluded

[12:24] into thinking you exist, as long as your heart is pumping,

[12:27] and your brain is registering and convincing you

[12:30] that you're there, but you're not really there,

[12:33] because if you just squash your brain,

[12:35] you simply cease to exist.

[12:36] So that's what Buddha was saying in selflessness and emptiness,

[12:41] and even some translators used to translate emptiness

[12:43] as nothingness, which is just completely very

[12:47] bad, because Buddha is very clear that emptiness

[12:50] as a sort of ultimate cosmological principle

[12:53] or something like that is a middle way, a central way

[12:57] between nihilism, nothingness, and absolutism,

[13:01] making some sort of absolute out of something.

[13:04] Emptiness is therefore really what it truly is is relativism,

[13:08] and Buddha really is the discovery of relativity.

[13:11] And therefore, ethics was a central thing for Buddhism,

[13:15] because ethics operates on all levels-- physical, not

[13:20] just physical, not just verbal, but also mental.

[13:27] Well, Jimmy Carter knew that.

[13:28] Remember, Jimmy-- most of you are too young.

[13:31] Somebody remember Jimmy Carter wrote in "Esquire" magazine

[13:33] how he sinned in his mind.

[13:35] He lusted after some young thing or something.

[13:38] And I don't know how Rosalynn took that,

[13:40] but the Buddhists say you can do that in your mind.

[13:45] In other words, you can commit a negative ethical act just

[13:47] with your mind, even if you don't act on it.

[13:50] And that's one of the reasons Buddhists

[13:52] are so much into searching inside themselves.

[13:59] I have to say it with the right emphasis in this room.

[14:05] So it's a very big deal.

[14:06] Ethics is a very big deal.

[14:07] Now the problem-- so then His Holiness does that in his book

[14:12] by talking about what human life is like and the fact

[14:16] that we do love-- are happy when we love someone,

[14:20] not only when we're loved, but also when we do love,

[14:23] we become very, very happy.

[14:24] You know, Gene Kelly dancing in the rain, what have you.

[14:27] And he has two pillars, he said, of his secular ethics.

[14:32] And one of them is human nature, the nature

[14:36] of the human as a social animal, which

[14:38] he takes from a certain side in anthropology,

[14:40] although he cites many studies.

[14:43] There are more and more studies that-- actually,

[14:45] in the famous argument between Ashley Montagu and Konrad

[14:49] Lorenz historically in the history of anthropology,

[14:53] there are many more things supporting Ashley Montagu

[14:55] that humans are really basically gentle.

[14:58] They're basically kind.

[15:01] But they can become vicious, worse than any animal,

[15:04] because the nature of the human being

[15:06] is so completely programmable, deprogrammable, reprogrammable,

[15:11] which is why education is so critically important.

[15:14] Anyway, basically among animals, the human is a more gentle one.

[15:19] We don't have claws.

[15:20] We don't have fangs.

[15:21] We don't have armored skin.

[15:24] We're soft-skinned and so forth.

[15:26] And the young take existence inside the bodies

[15:29] of the female, which is more of a connection

[15:34] to the next generation than if you just

[15:36] drop an egg somewhere in the riverbank or by the ocean

[15:40] and wait for the little turtle to crawl out.

[15:42] There's a little less parenting involved

[15:44] when you do it with eggs.

[15:46] So he uses that.

[15:49] And then the second one is the relationality of everything

[15:51] and that everyone is very interrelated

[15:53] and that people are never happier

[15:55] than when they do something successfully for someone else,

[15:58] and they feel really good about that like seeing that person

[16:01] smile, seeing that child happy.

[16:03] They really do, and then that leads

[16:05] to his slogan about compassion that he does,

[16:08] where he says that if you want someone else to be happy,

[16:13] be compassionate to them.

[16:15] And he says if you want to be happy, be

[16:17] compassionate to someone else, which

[16:20] is his favorite slogan coming from the tradition

[16:23] of Shantideva, a great, great Indian philosopher and sage

[16:27] and yogi call Shantideva, who wrote a great book called

[16:30] "Way of the Bodhisattva" that I recommend to everyone.

[16:33] It's one of the great world classics of spirituality,

[16:35] actually, in which he makes the argument very, very thoroughly

[16:40] that our nature is such that when

[16:42] we do something for someone else that succeeds,

[16:48] it is its own reward.

[16:49] And they may even make the very clever psychological argument

[16:52] that when you focus on doing things for others, then

[16:57] actually, you temporarily forget about what you need yourself.

[17:01] You tend to.

[17:02] And then that's a key to happiness,

[17:05] because the one certain way to be unhappy

[17:08] is to think, how happy am I?

[17:11] That's an immediate killer.

[17:13] The minute you think, how good is it?

[17:15] What am I getting out of here?

[17:17] What's going on?

[17:18] It's like, oh, no, it's not that good.

[17:23] Whatever marvelous experience it is

[17:25] when you turn to evaluate it, you're never satisfied.

[17:29] The Rolling Stones have a song like that, right?

[17:31] Ain't no satisfaction.

[17:34] So that's His Holiness's thing on secularism,

[17:37] which is a beautiful book, and it

[17:40] has trainings in the back, which is another novel

[17:43] concept to Western psychologists, which

[17:47] is that you can train yourself to be

[17:49] more compassionate and more loving,

[17:51] that it isn't that a person is just loving.

[17:53] Of course, there's a set point that Buddhists

[17:55] would agree from one's upbringing

[17:57] if one is traumatically brought up,

[17:59] it's maybe difficult to feel it's natural to be nice

[18:04] and to be loving if you've been guarding and defending yourself

[18:07] against abuse as a child.

[18:09] But basically, whatever level of lovingness one

[18:14] is or has as a person can be much more highly developed.

[18:17] And the negative side, the opposite of loving-- hating,

[18:21] despising, et cetera-- can be diminished by training.

[18:26] And that's very important.

[18:28] Should be a part of everyone's education.

[18:30] It actually is the final purpose of the Search Inside Yourself

[18:35] strategy, because once you search in there,

[18:39] you find the negative reflexes and mechanisms that

[18:42] have caused you trouble in life, or you lost friends

[18:45] where you annoyed and offended people, where

[18:47] this and that happened, where you were dissatisfied also

[18:49] yourself, and then you can deconstruct,

[18:53] and you can disempower those negative mental habits,

[18:56] and you can reinforce and empower the positive ones

[18:59] to a huge degree.

[19:00] And Buddhists would not agree with those modern psychologists

[19:04] who keep insisting and write all best-seller books

[19:06] about how helpless you are, that your unconscious is doing

[19:10] everything, and you really can't really-- what you

[19:12] think is a free choice is not.

[19:14] And Buddhists don't agree.

[19:16] They do agree that a very unenlightened person is

[19:18] pretty much robotic in their reactivity and their reaction

[19:21] patterns, but the whole path of Buddhism

[19:26] is to become conscious of your unconscious actually

[19:28] and to reshape it.

[19:30] It's like the Hercules myth of cleaning the Augean stables

[19:33] is very perfect for the Buddhist enterprise,

[19:37] because the human being in Buddha's analysis,

[19:40] the reason it is such a valuable life form,

[19:43] and that every one of you has what

[19:46] they call in Buddhism the precious jewel

[19:49] of a life endowed with liberty and opportunity.

[19:52] And the liberty has to do with the fact

[19:56] that you are free of many kinds of defects.

[19:59] You're not born in a species that

[20:01] has no language, that has no culture, that can't share

[20:05] the mind of others because of having speech

[20:07] and so forth, literature, in our case,

[20:10] and memory, and a certain type of self-reflexiveness

[20:13] is not available to lower animal forms in the human animal form.

[20:17] And some humans, of course, are less than others.

[20:21] And so they're not all the same.

[20:22] So the liberties are like that, and the opportunities

[20:24] are where you can educate yourself,

[20:27] because if a human being, if a saint, or a near saint--

[20:30] actually, in Buddha's view, a complete saint can never

[20:32] become a murderer, a perfect saint,

[20:36] but there are degrees of really niceness and sainthood that

[20:39] could become very evil by different circumstances

[20:44] and reindoctrination.

[20:46] And similarly, even the Buddha had one famous disciple,

[20:49] Angulimala, who was a serial killer

[20:52] and became a saint, complete saint actually

[20:54] in his lifetime by changing his behavior

[20:57] and so forth, and then went to some of the families of some

[21:00] of the people he had killed.

[21:01] And he actually was so genuinely--

[21:04] he offered his life to them anyway,

[21:07] if that would have helped.

[21:08] And they actually didn't take his life

[21:10] when they realized he really had totally changed, actually.

[21:13] Anyway, that's the Buddha's analysis of the human being.

[21:15] So I presume, do all of what is the fourfold for the four

[21:22] noble truths?

[21:23] Everybody know that in this room?

[21:26] Anybody doesn't know that, Buddha's sort

[21:28] of original teaching?

[21:29] A few people.

[21:30] Well, I can quickly summarize.

[21:31] It's important to do, because the people always

[21:34] think, especially new people, that Buddha's main job was

[21:38] making a religion.

[21:40] Now I'm going back from Dalai Lama to Buddha,

[21:42] because Buddha did the same thing as Dalai Lama did

[21:44] in the sense that he grounded his version of ethics

[21:49] in what would be considered scientific reality of that time

[21:53] and actually may well still be considered scientific reality.

[21:56] But I'm not going to get into that necessarily,

[21:59] unless we go into a question period, and you want me to.

[22:04] So in other words, what His Holiness Dalai Lama is

[22:06] doing is same thing Buddha did.

[22:08] His Holiness is doing it in terms

[22:09] of secular science or materialist science

[22:11] today, which is the orthodoxy.

[22:14] It's not the dogmatic orthodoxy among scientists

[22:17] today, scientific materialism, and in his day,

[22:20] Buddha did that as well.

[22:21] Shakyamuni Buddha did that as well,

[22:25] which is the basis of Buddhist ethics,

[22:27] and that's what I want to talk about it.

[22:28] Anyway, the four noble truths, his first Noble Truth

[22:31] was that the unenlightened person is bound to suffer.

[22:36] It's not really a religious thing.

[22:38] It's a scientific and psychological analysis

[22:42] of the human condition, and and also of animals, actually,

[22:47] as well, at a worse level than the human.

[22:51] But what it means is that someone

[22:55] who has a false sense of what they are,

[23:00] and this is especially defined as it exaggerates

[23:05] their identity, thinking that that's an absolute thing,

[23:09] and they are absolutely themselves,

[23:11] and the rest of the universe is absolutely different from them.

[23:15] That person in that condition, and that's at a visceral level.

[23:19] They may not even have that as a philosophy,

[23:21] but that's at a visceral level.

[23:22] That person is doomed to suffer, because obviously, if it's

[23:27] you versus the universe, you're going to lose that struggle.

[23:31] No one can overdo it.

[23:33] And then the theisms, the different forms of theism

[23:36] tend to console us for that losing experience of living

[23:40] life unto death, and with being sick and growing old and having

[23:44] all kinds of things happen to us,

[23:46] and having the pleasures and joys that we have not last.

[23:50] But we're consoled that there is an absolute being outside

[23:53] of the universe that somehow put us in this situation,

[23:56] and as long as we pay dues to that being

[23:58] and believe in it, that being will save us.

[24:01] And then we'll have bliss after death.

[24:04] But that's just sort of transferring

[24:06] the locus of that absolute thing into something

[24:09] that is just presumed to be outside the universe.

[24:12] The person who doesn't do that, they

[24:14] think that there's an essential soul in themselves that's

[24:17] a fixed identity that is somehow disconnected from everything,

[24:22] and they try to withdraw and retreat

[24:24] into that in various ways.

[24:27] And actually, the motor materialist

[24:29] thinks so too, surprisingly.

[24:31] They may think they don't, but they actually

[24:33] do, because since they are certain that by their brain

[24:37] ceasing, they will become unconscious permanently,

[24:40] and their mind will cease to exist forever,

[24:44] including having no memory of ever having existed,

[24:47] they are saying that they carry within them an essence

[24:50] of nothingness, actually.

[24:52] That's sort of the existential thing.

[24:53] So like Jean Paul Belmondo in Pierrot le Fou

[24:57] can light his cigar and then light

[24:59] the fuse of some dynamite sticks wrapped around his head,

[25:03] and then the screen goes white.

[25:05] And that's the idea that they're reducing themselves

[25:07] to their essence, which is anesthetic unconsciousness.

[25:11] And yet, there is no evidence that you're ever going to have

[25:13] anaesthetic no consciousness, and in fact,

[25:16] if anybody wants to debate the point with me who considers

[25:19] themself a secularist, I will be delighted to do

[25:22] so, because there is no evidence that you will not exist at some

[25:27] point.

[25:29] There can never be, right?

[25:30] If it ever happened to anybody, nobody ever found them,

[25:34] and they never reported back.

[25:35] I always tease my materialist friends, didn't Carl Sagan

[25:39] show up after his death and announce, it's cool guys.

[25:44] I really don't exist.

[25:46] So don't worry about those churches.

[25:49] Don't worry about that reincarnation,

[25:51] because I'm not here.

[25:53] Not only did he not do that, but he never could do that,

[25:56] and no one will ever find a non-existent entity.

[26:00] No one will ever discover nothingness.

[26:02] They'll never get a Nobel Prize for discovering nothingness.

[26:05] It can never be proven, because it isn't there,

[26:08] and now I think that's by definition nothing

[26:10] is not there.

[26:11] And therefore, it's a blind faith belief, par excellence.

[26:16] There might be gods that might be there.

[26:18] Maybe it wouldn't be quite as absolute as people think,

[26:20] but there very well might be some sort

[26:22] of angels and gods and things, because at least

[26:24] that's something that you might find or not find, so that

[26:27] can be proven or disproven.

[26:28] But nothing can never be proven, because it isn't there.

[26:33] We know ahead of time.

[26:35] Anyway, I'm sorry.

[26:35] I know that's a digression.

[26:37] So everyone has that feeling, the unenlightened person,

[26:43] and then people also rag on the Buddha,

[26:46] because they say he was a pessimist,

[26:48] and he was a depressoid, and he was a killjoy, because he

[26:52] said it's all suffering.

[26:53] But he never said it's all suffering.

[26:54] He said unenlightened life is suffering,

[26:56] is going to be frustrating.

[26:58] And it's not as depressed as Socrates,

[27:01] who said the unexamined life is not worth living.

[27:03] Buddha never said the unenlightened life is not

[27:05] worth living.

[27:06] He just said it's going to be frustrating.

[27:08] And then the second Noble Truth is

[27:10] the cause of that, which I already explained.

[27:12] It's the distorted sense of self,

[27:15] the deepest cause-- then craving and hatred

[27:17] and these mental things that arise from you thinking

[27:20] you're separate from others, and therefore, you're

[27:22] against your enemies, and you're attached

[27:25] to the ones you want to incorporate

[27:28] in your group, et cetera.

[27:30] And so those are secondary to the basic sense of absolutizing

[27:36] the sense of separate identity.

[27:38] And that's the second Noble Truth.

[27:40] The third Noble Truth is Buddha's good news,

[27:43] which is the prognosis of the diagnosis,

[27:46] and the prognosis is that if you knew what reality

[27:49] was, if you realized your true nature of yourself, which

[27:54] you can do, and then you will be blissful.

[27:57] You will be in complete bliss, not necessarily after you

[28:01] die, and not necessarily by dying,

[28:05] but even in life, you can be in perfect bliss.

[28:08] You can live in a way like you were living

[28:11] in a dream in a matrix, but a lucid dream,

[28:15] where you live a lucid life, and you

[28:18] know exactly what's going on in that life,

[28:21] and therefore, although you might

[28:22] seem to be suffering to others, you actually

[28:24] don't really suffer.

[28:25] It's an amazing claim, and he didn't

[28:28] expect people to believe it actually when he said that.

[28:31] The Third Noble Truth, he said, this

[28:32] is true for a noble person, which he defined as someone

[28:35] who understands that.

[28:37] And he said it's only imaginable,

[28:39] and it's even difficult to imagine

[28:41] for an unenlightened person.

[28:42] So what you have to do with this third Noble Truth

[28:44] is try to imagine it.

[28:46] Try to imagine some kind of perfect life

[28:50] of being blissful at all times.

[28:52] Everyone's been blissful here and there.

[28:54] I hope everybody at Google has had a moment of bliss.

[28:57] I really do hope so.

[29:02] I'm not asking for a show of hands, but I just hope so.

[29:06] So all they're saying is that if you attain, if you understand

[29:10] reality, what Buddha's discovery is, that when you fully

[29:14] understand reality, which again, is a revolutionary claim

[29:17] that a human being can completely understand reality

[29:20] themself and the world itself fully and completely,

[29:24] and when they do, they realize that that reality is bliss

[29:28] and that everything is made of the energy of bliss.

[29:31] That is to say nirvana of the Four Noble Truths,

[29:33] only the third is really real.

[29:36] You know the first, second, and fourth

[29:37] are only relatively real, and therefore, somewhat unreal.

[29:42] So then the fourth Noble Truth, which

[29:44] is where I'm finally going to get to ethics,

[29:46] the fourth Noble Truth is the truth

[29:48] of the path to the realization of the nature of reality,

[29:53] which he said was nirvana, and I'm still

[29:55] hoping it is the case.

[29:57] After 50 years of pursuing it, I've had hints,

[29:59] and I think it is more strongly than I did when I started,

[30:03] but I don't claim to be certain, because you have

[30:06] to be a Buddha to be certain.

[30:08] So anyway, that path is an educational path, not

[30:12] a religious path, because you realize

[30:15] that a person who diagnoses reality in such a way

[30:18] that salvation or liberation, whatever you want to call it,

[30:22] is accomplished not by faith, but by understanding.

[30:27] That person is forced to be an educator.

[30:30] They can't really just be a preacher

[30:31] like, yeah, believe what I say.

[30:33] Believe this, believe that, and then

[30:34] you'll be fine, because it won't necessarily be fine.

[30:39] Belief is not enough to transform

[30:41] your whole visceral instinctual structure that it is distorted,

[30:46] and thereby brings you into conflict

[30:48] with what you relate to, and therefore, sooner or later

[30:53] inevitably, it therefore makes you suffer.

[30:57] So then there's the educational path.

[30:59] The educational path has eight branches, components,

[31:02] and they have a certain order.

[31:04] And this is where I'm not against the meditative craze,

[31:13] the meditational craze.

[31:14] I'm for it.

[31:15] But it's not enough by itself from the Buddhist point

[31:20] of view.

[31:20] In traditional Buddhist teaching,

[31:22] the meditation part comes after one has clarified one's world

[31:28] view, as they put it, what they call developing what--

[31:31] I got from Alan Wallace actually this way of translating instead

[31:34] of right view-- he's the one-- I don't know if he originated it,

[31:38] but he's the one I first read somewhere.

[31:40] He calls it realistic world view versus unrealistic,

[31:44] and I really like that.

[31:45] I've always used it ever since myself.

[31:46] He was my student, but I'm not too

[31:48] proud to have learned from him, and we

[31:51] do learn from our students.

[31:52] And realistic world view is really

[31:54] correct, because it leads to really what Buddhism really

[31:57] is is realism, because it's based on the discovery

[32:01] by someone that reality is bliss.

[32:05] So ignorance can't be bliss.

[32:10] Well, even ignorance is bliss on some very

[32:11] super non-dualistic way, but ignorance of that reality

[32:15] causes suffering.

[32:16] And knowledge of that reality then is knowledge of bliss,

[32:19] that bliss is what you are and what everything is,

[32:22] and therefore conveys bliss.

[32:24] But you have to re-educate yourself.

[32:26] You have to develop the critical intelligence

[32:28] to get rid of all kinds of half-witted ideas

[32:32] and get rid of them and see through them

[32:35] through critical thinking.

[32:37] And then that's rectifying your worldview

[32:40] and making it more realistic.

[32:42] And there, again, it isn't that you

[32:45] have to believe there is such a thing as Buddha,

[32:47] you have to believe in nirvana.

[32:49] You're not asked to do that, because Buddha knows

[32:51] that we don't believe that.

[32:53] If someone comes up and says it's all bliss,

[32:55] we're going to think, what are they selling?

[32:56] Snake oil?

[32:58] What is that?

[32:59] I'm not in bliss today.

[33:02] And you know that bliss is hardly legal in most societies,

[33:07] in fact.

[33:07] It's more or less illegal.

[33:10] So that's not what he wants.

[33:13] What he wants is to look at what we do think.

[33:16] He's challenging us to shift our sense that where we ascribe

[33:21] and invent, what we invest reality in to challenge it,

[33:23] and that's what the realistic world view is.

[33:25] Realistic world view is acceptance of causation.

[33:29] That's what Buddha is truly celebrated

[33:31] as [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH].

[33:36] That's Buddha is the one who argued

[33:39] for the existence of causation, so what

[33:42] are the causes of things, and how do you

[33:44] interfere with the causes of negative things?

[33:47] That's what the Buddha's teaching

[33:49] was, which is not all religious teaching if you think about it.

[33:52] But why is acceptance of causation the beginning

[33:56] of the path of realism?

[33:58] Because that self, that precious absolute self

[34:01] somewhere in there that Descartes imagined was there,

[34:04] that less philosophical people have imagined was there,

[34:08] and we visually imagine about ourselves, that

[34:12] is some immune to causation.

[34:14] It's like that point of awareness

[34:15] you have when you remember what happened 10 years ago, 15

[34:19] years ago, and the way you sort of remember

[34:21] is that you are thinking to yourself like,

[34:24] you were the same point of subjectivity then as now.

[34:28] There's like one thing that doesn't change

[34:29] is our sort of point of subjectivity, which,

[34:31] of course, is what Descartes was looking for, which he actually

[34:34] failed to find if you remember if you read Descartes.

[34:38] Then he just presumed that, well, because I'm looking,

[34:40] that's-- I'm sure of that.

[34:42] But he couldn't actually find himself, actually.

[34:44] He was like a Buddhist Yogi in that sense.

[34:47] So the point is if you accept causality, then even

[34:51] your identity is a construct.

[34:54] It comes from your education, from your language,

[34:56] from your associations, it changes all the time,

[34:59] and therefore, you're a work in progress.

[35:01] You're a Google program.

[35:04] You can be improved.

[35:05] I think I read something about Google.

[35:06] You're never satisfied with the way things are.

[35:08] There's something of your 10 points of Google.

[35:12] It's because if people think about it in a new way,

[35:14] they'll find a way to improve it.

[35:16] But that's just the same as yourself is like that.

[35:19] If you really realize viscerally that you're a relative self,

[35:22] you would be very careful what you associate

[35:24] with, what you subject yourself to, your consciousness,

[35:27] and you would want to turn it into positive things,

[35:30] and you would want to develop it artistically.

[35:32] You'd become a work of art in a way, your identity

[35:35] and your self.

[35:35] It constantly changes.

[35:36] It's not actually [INAUDIBLE], which means sameness,

[35:40] because it always changes.

[35:41] But therefore, it can change for the far better

[35:43] is the key thing.

[35:44] So once you realize that you are this relational thing,

[35:48] inextricably interwoven with all other relational things, beings

[35:52] and things, then you get realistic motivation

[35:55] of what to do with your life, this precious thing

[35:57] that you have of being such an intelligent, self-reflective

[36:01] self-creative or self-destructive being,

[36:03] and you don't want to be self-destructive.

[36:05] You want to be self-created, and particularly because you don't

[36:08] indulge in irrational things that just

[36:10] by dying you escape from every causal consequence,

[36:14] because you accept causality.

[36:16] Therefore, there's no first cause or uncaused cause.

[36:18] Universe is beginningless.

[36:20] There's no final destruction of everything.

[36:22] There will always be more for effects and more effects.

[36:25] Therefore, everything you do now physically, verbally,

[36:30] and mentally will have an effect,

[36:32] and that effect is potentially infinite.

[36:35] The consequences are infinite, which puts tremendous weight

[36:39] on what you do, because you a little bit better

[36:43] and a little bit worse can magnify over

[36:46] an infinite canvas to limitless proportions,

[36:50] negative or positive.

[36:52] So then third branch of the Eightfold Path-- now finally,

[36:56] we reach ethics.

[36:58] Third is realistic speech, realistic evolutionary action,

[37:04] as I translate karma, and realistic livelihood--

[37:07] those next three.

[37:09] They are ethics.

[37:10] Now in their ethics one, here I have my slide.

[37:13] There is this marvelous thing, which is called

[37:16] [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH].

[37:19] The tenfold skillful and unskillful

[37:24] evolutionary action path, which is karma.

[37:28] And I call it evolutionary on purpose.

[37:31] Some of my translating colleague friends get all nervous.

[37:35] Oh, no.

[37:36] That's the Darwin's word.

[37:37] You can't use that.

[37:38] But that's just silly.

[37:40] Darwin is just a British gentleman in the 19th century,

[37:43] and he noticed that he had some monkey-like qualities,

[37:48] and the Galapagos turtles-- I don't know what

[37:50] all-- the Beagle.

[37:51] The Beagle was the boat, right?

[37:52] Not the dog.

[37:53] Whatever.

[37:54] He did that, and he noticed this relationship,

[37:57] which was a big shock to the other white male bearded

[38:01] British gentlemen that they might be related to something,

[38:05] some fuzzy wuzzies, some people they

[38:08] were busy genociding all over the planet

[38:10] with their colonialism.

[38:11] And Buddha recognized that way back, Buddhists.

[38:15] Buddhists were like, not only are we related

[38:17] to a bunch of chimpanzees and dogs and cats and whatever,

[38:20] we've all personally been chimpanzees and dogs and cats,

[38:23] so of course we're related.

[38:25] And if we're not careful, we'll return to that,

[38:28] which would not be desirable.

[38:30] You wouldn't really be able to do a Google search very well

[38:34] with a paw and a claw.

[38:38] We couldn't read.

[38:39] So what I love is this word kushala in Sanskrit.

[38:44] Kushala-- people always translate it

[38:46] as virtuous and non-virtuous, because they

[38:48] want to get into moralism.

[38:50] But actually the word is skillful,

[38:52] and why is it skillful?

[38:54] Why is it skillful to save lives and not

[38:56] to kill and to take lives?

[38:58] Why?

[38:59] Because what did you have to realize what the goal is?

[39:02] Buddha's definition-- when you understand reality,

[39:07] in order to understand, reality is infinite, right?

[39:09] You have to become infinite to understand an infinite thing.

[39:13] Now everyone here, not only have they

[39:16] had their moment of bliss, at least one or two,

[39:20] but they've had long time of bliss,

[39:22] and they've been in love.

[39:24] Everybody in here has been in love, I'm sure.

[39:27] Some may still be-- oh, there they are, 19 years.

[39:30] They're in love still.

[39:33] And when you're in love, you identify with the other person,

[39:37] and you consider their feeling as important or more important

[39:41] if it's really good.

[39:42] When love really lasts, each one.

[39:44] That's why other people get jealous of people in love,

[39:47] because they're so deluded the two of them.

[39:49] Because each one thinks the other one is so great,

[39:52] and nobody else thinks anybody's great.

[39:55] And so here are these two people confirming each other.

[39:57] Oh, you're the greatest.

[39:59] Romeo and Juliet, they kill them off, whatever.

[40:02] They do their best.

[40:04] But the point is we know in a parent and a child,

[40:08] especially mother, but father can also

[40:10] identify completely with the life of the child

[40:12] and sort of feel it.

[40:13] And the good mother knows when that child needs to be burped,

[40:17] when it needs food, whatever it is, it can sense it.

[40:20] She senses it, because she empathizes with that child.

[40:23] So a human being has this-- but the guys,

[40:26] they empathize with their teammate on the football team

[40:29] or their platoon in the army, a buddy.

[40:33] And so we have this ability to expand

[40:36] our sense of identification.

[40:37] Human beings do.

[40:39] So Buddhahood is simply where that sense of identification

[40:42] has infinitely expanded, where her being is completely

[40:47] filled with every life is their life, the same as them.

[40:51] And they identify with all of it,

[40:53] and they have the bliss energy to be

[40:57] able to even feel the sufferings of the others

[41:00] without being dragged into them, but be well enough to be

[41:04] able to interact with them, to try

[41:05] to help them suffer less, which is what the Buddha's job is

[41:08] like a doctor.

[41:09] So if that's your goal, if you imagine there is such a state,

[41:14] even though it might take a million lifetimes to achieve,

[41:18] but since you feel that you are a continuity of such lifetimes

[41:21] anyway, so you might as well.

[41:25] How many of you have heard of a Bodhisattva?

[41:28] A lot of you.

[41:28] OK, good.

[41:30] So one time His Holiness asked me to give an evening

[41:34] talk before a bunch of people, big 500, 800, 1,000 people

[41:38] were going to take a Bodhisattva vow, where

[41:40] you say I want to help all beings become

[41:43] free of suffering.

[41:44] I want to save all beings from suffering.

[41:46] It's like [INAUDIBLE] like that.

[41:48] So I did the night before, but then my main point of my talk

[41:52] was to urge people not to take that vow too lightly,

[41:58] because unless you think that you have

[42:00] a common sense of reality that you

[42:04] are going to have this infinite continuum of future,

[42:07] or rather that's your best bet-- you don't really know,

[42:10] but everything else in nature has a continuity.

[42:14] So there's the law of thermodynamics.

[42:16] So why is your consciousness the one piece of energy

[42:18] that won't have a continuity?

[42:20] So the best bet is that there will be a continuity,

[42:23] and as long as you don't have that as a common sense feeling,

[42:27] then it's silly to say, I'm going to save all beings from

[42:29] suffering, because you can't.

[42:31] There's no time.

[42:32] Only if you and the beings are going

[42:34] to be carrying on forever.

[42:35] Now imagine the opposite.

[42:37] Imagine where you had a common sense feeling

[42:40] that you're never going to get out of everybody else's face,

[42:44] and they're not going to get out of your face.

[42:47] Instead of leaving here when this talk is over and came back

[42:50] to whatever, I'm going to be in your face forever.

[42:54] Next life we'll be back in a lecture hall.

[42:56] You'll be giving the lecture that time.

[42:57] I'll be listening.

[42:58] This will go on endlessly.

[43:00] It's like "Groundhog Day," that brilliant Bodhisattva

[43:03] movie of Bill Murray, who is one of my gurus.

[43:07] And until you get it right, you keep repeating it.

[43:13] So you might as well take a Bodhisattva vow.

[43:15] Why?

[43:15] If you're going to be tangled up with all beings forever,

[43:19] then you better optimize your tangling up with him.

[43:23] And what's the optimal way to be tangled up with someone?

[43:26] You love them, and they love you.

[43:28] You love them.

[43:30] You can't force them to love you,

[43:31] so you try to be as loving as you

[43:33] can yourself by becoming a Buddha, love meaning

[43:36] wanting them to be happy.

[43:38] And then when they really get happy, they will love you.

[43:41] So then that's the best way.

[43:43] Buddhahood, they have these pure lands

[43:46] that they describe where you become Buddha,

[43:48] and you help all the other beings to become Buddha.

[43:50] And I always think of them as John Belushi's Food Fight

[43:52] Universe.

[43:54] Why?

[43:55] When I have a cookie, I want my cookie.

[43:59] Well, maybe I'll share it with you if you want a cookie.

[44:02] And that's how we are in the ordinary world.

[44:05] But in a Buddha land, well, if I have cookies,

[44:08] I want you to have the cookie.

[44:10] But then you want me to have your cookie,

[44:12] so we end up throwing all the cookies at each other.

[44:15] And it's a much better way when you are just

[44:17] trying to grab cookies for yourself, as a friend of mine

[44:20] used to say, it's everybody's out before himself.

[44:24] You have to fight over all these people who want your cookie,

[44:27] but when everybody loves everybody else,

[44:29] then you don't worry about yourself.

[44:31] You're willing to give everything away,

[44:33] but you get buried in cookies.

[44:36] So it's a much better way.

[44:38] So then take a Bodhisattva vow.

[44:41] Then I want to make a world like that,

[44:42] where everybody loves everyone, because these beings won't

[44:45] be happy.

[44:45] I won't make them happy unless they love each other.

[44:48] So if that's the goal is to be that kind of a being,

[44:52] when you save the life of another being, in a way

[44:57] you're identifying with their life.

[44:59] They become some tiny bit one with you.

[45:03] They have those things in cultures

[45:04] where if you save a life, then you

[45:06] are responsible for the person you save.

[45:08] The person they want to serve you and help you, et cetera.

[45:10] They have like these codes of warrior, things like that,

[45:14] and those are sort of superficial forms of that.

[45:16] But the basic idea is the same, whereas when you kill,

[45:20] you're saying, we're not in the same universe of that being.

[45:23] Of course, in the Buddhist view, when you kill,

[45:25] you haven't destroyed that being.

[45:27] You've just taken away their body,

[45:28] but you have said that their interest is not mine.

[45:31] I don't identify with them.

[45:33] So you're making yourself narrower

[45:35] as a being, whereas when you save a life,

[45:38] you're expanding as a being, because the life you

[45:40] saved you are connected to.

[45:42] It's a piece that you have a relationship with that.

[45:45] Similarly, when you take others' property, which is literally

[45:48] steal, means take what is not given to you,

[45:51] then you're disregarding other beings'

[45:53] sense of owning something.

[45:55] And you're their feeling that they own that.

[45:57] It's nothing, and therefore, it's

[46:00] like a kind of killing them in your mind,

[46:02] whereas when you give them a gift,

[46:03] and, oh, I'm expanding my pleasure of this object

[46:07] by them enjoying it.

[46:09] And so you're, again, incorporating them.

[46:12] And finally, sexuality is really important,

[46:14] because that's when the human form

[46:17] biologically does sort of melt into the other, ideally.

[46:21] I mean not always, obviously, but ideally, it's supposed to.

[46:25] And it's a time when the boundary normally

[46:27] dissolves even without any question of enlightenment,

[46:29] and beings kind of merge together.

[46:31] So it's a very sacred thing, actually.

[46:33] So when even that time when the human sort of

[46:37] drops their identity and allows themself

[46:39] to melt, if they keep the control thing where they're

[46:44] doing it in some harmful and abusive way to the object

[46:47] in treating another being as an object,

[46:49] then that which is the deep visceral lesson of expanding

[46:55] their sense of identification through love is being abused,

[46:58] it becomes another way of narrowing your existence

[47:01] rather than expanding it, whereas loving sexuality is

[47:05] a way of acknowledging and experiencing

[47:08] a merger with another being and is, therefore,

[47:11] a very expanding of when one becomes a larger

[47:14] being by doing that.

[47:15] And similarly, when you lie, you create a false universe

[47:18] for the other person.

[47:19] You don't include them in your universe.

[47:21] When you speak to slander people to cause them to dislike

[47:25] each other, then you are harming both of them,

[47:30] whereas when you reconcile them and make them peaceful,

[47:32] then you're enjoying their being harmonious with each other.

[47:35] When you use speech violently and harshly

[47:38] just to injure someone's feelings, emotions,

[47:41] whatever, then similarly, it's like you're verbally

[47:44] killing them, or speaking sweetly,

[47:46] you're inviting them and embracing them.

[47:48] And finally, this is a neat one I like.

[47:50] It's a little bit the equivalent in the 10 commandments

[47:53] of blasphemy, but it's more specific in the sense

[47:57] that speech is what gives us a collective mind.

[48:01] When you speak and someone listens,

[48:03] you share minds all imperfectly, since everyone

[48:05] has a little different meaning of words,

[48:07] and they don't necessarily understand,

[48:08] and even the people who speak don't necessarily

[48:11] know exactly what they're saying.

[48:12] But if they're trying to speak in a meaningful way, where

[48:16] the other person has some benefit for opening their mind

[48:19] and listening, then they're being helpful to that person,

[48:21] ideally, meaningful, and meaningful especially

[48:24] tends to mean something liberating,

[48:26] something that expands their understanding so that they then

[48:29] can become bigger people and understand their world better,

[48:33] whereas meaningless is the kind of people

[48:34] who'd blab away not knowing what they're talking about.

[48:37] And they're wasting your mental space

[48:39] by blabbing at you a bunch of meaningless drivel,

[48:43] and there are a few people who do that

[48:45] on the media and everywhere.

[48:47] So speech is the same way.

[48:49] Then this is really the mental, and these three

[48:56] are the like the three poisons-- greed, hatred, and delusion.

[49:00] They're very similar to that.

[49:02] Your unrealistic world view, you get back to that here

[49:05] in the tenfold thing, and then this is the anger poison,

[49:09] and this is the lust and desire and greed poison attachment

[49:14] and so forth.

[49:16] And the opposites are generosity and lovingness and realism.

[49:20] But what is powerful about it is that those mental states are

[49:24] considered more powerful even than the physical ones,

[49:27] because action only becomes evolutionary in the sense of it

[49:31] has an impact on you when it relates to the motivation

[49:36] that you do the action out of.

[49:38] So motivation is really critically important,

[49:41] and this is then why in those countries, in countries where

[49:44] Buddhism has had a long sway, thousands of years

[49:47] of experience, centuries of delivering educational service,

[49:52] whether or not someone is Buddhist in those countries,

[49:55] there is a greater tendency for people

[49:57] to search inside themselves, because they realize

[50:05] that your life is good or bad depending

[50:09] on how you react to your situations, more

[50:13] than the situations.

[50:15] We all know when we've been very happy in a very good mood

[50:19] in a difficult circumstance.

[50:21] We all know when we've been in supposedly great circumstance,

[50:24] and yet for some reason, we're having a tantrum or a fight,

[50:27] or we're very mentally unhappy, and we're not enjoying it.

[50:31] And we've all had that kind of experience,

[50:33] because the mind is the predominant one.

[50:36] That's why in Indian science, unlike Greek science,

[50:40] and unlike your early Chinese science, in Indian science,

[50:43] the psychology and philosophy science

[50:46] field was considered the king and queen of the sciences.

[50:49] Not physics and not biology or anything,

[50:52] but they were not unimportant, and they had their own physics

[50:54] and things.

[50:55] But it was the mind sciences that

[50:57] were considered most important by far,

[50:59] because that's really what controls the quality of life.

[51:03] And I always laugh.

[51:04] There's a great verse in Shantideva's book,

[51:06] and he says-- but he's talking, of course, about patience.

[51:09] It's in his chapter on patience or tolerance,

[51:12] developing patience as the antidote to anger.

[51:15] And he says, you have two choices when you don't want

[51:18] to walk-- if you have to walk barefoot, if you're barefoot,

[51:23] and you don't want to walk around

[51:24] on sharp stones and twigs and thorns and things

[51:28] as you walk around the earth, you have two choices.

[51:32] Cover the Earth with leather, or make yourself a parachute.

[51:37] Because I love that, because to cover it with leather

[51:40] is like Western culture.

[51:41] It's like a big softball or something.

[51:43] The planet has turned into a softball.

[51:46] Then everyone can walk around barefoot, and they're happy,

[51:49] but actually, at the end of life,

[51:51] I have no food or nothing, whereas you

[51:53] have a pair of sandals, and then there,

[51:55] you can allow your crops to grow, whatever.

[51:57] Things can be-- it's much more practical, actually.

[52:01] And this relates to my hope, which

[52:05] I have failed to achieve in my teaching career,

[52:08] but I'm hoping someday that the colonial era will be reviewed,

[52:14] and the West that conquered the world will be seen

[52:19] as inferior for having done so.

[52:21] And Asia and the indigenous people

[52:24] who didn't go out and conquer the world

[52:26] will be seen as superior for not having done so,

[52:29] just as if you have a bunch of gentle people on your block

[52:33] who have lovely parties, who play Monopoly and Scrabble

[52:38] and whatever, and you google lots

[52:39] of interesting things and nice time,

[52:41] and then some mafioso bully comes on the block

[52:44] and demands-- starts a protection racket on your block

[52:47] and beats a few of you up, you're

[52:50] going to be afraid of that person,

[52:51] and they might extract some wealth from you,

[52:54] but you're not going to think that's the superior person

[52:56] on your block.

[52:57] You're really not going to think so,

[52:59] but now our history is still taught

[53:01] like empire, sun never set.

[53:03] It was all so great.

[53:05] And we're in a way still stuck in that attitude,

[53:07] and that's really too bad, because that is a mistake,

[53:10] whereas the Asian people, we wrongly

[53:12] don't know where-- we want to reinvent the wheel of the mind

[53:15] sciences, for example, instead of realizing

[53:18] that the search inside yourself was well developed.

[53:22] So I'll say it again.

[53:24] It's [INAUDIBLE] path.

[53:25] Finally, I'm going to stop now, almost.

[53:27] Then there's realistic creativity or creative effort

[53:30] after these three ethical things, and this tenfold path

[53:32] of skillful and unskillful-- oh, yeah.

[53:34] And why is it called skillful and unskillful?

[53:36] Quickly, because you know when you lift weights or you train

[53:40] or you memorize something, your memory improves.

[53:43] Your muscles improve.

[53:44] When you walk or your bike, you feel more healthy.

[53:48] Someone doesn't come and award you

[53:49] with improved muscles or better memory or something

[53:52] because you did something.

[53:53] The doing of it shapes and changes you,

[53:56] so similarly, an evolutionary action or karmic action,

[53:59] if you kill, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

[54:03] If you become a killer, you end up living in armor.

[54:06] You carry around coats of armor.

[54:08] You become more invulnerable.

[54:10] You become more walled off and paranoid about other people.

[54:13] So the act itself changes you.

[54:15] It evolves you or devolves you, one or the other.

[54:19] And all of these acts are like that.

[54:20] Therefore, this is very key if you

[54:23] know anything about modern ethical philosophy.

[54:26] Because of scientific materialism

[54:28] crushing philosophy as a key and live and important pursuit

[54:32] of human beings, replacing it with measuring things

[54:36] in materialistic science-- because of that,

[54:39] people think that ethics is an arbitrary choice.

[54:43] People are ethical because they don't want to be caught.

[54:46] They don't want to be imprisoned.

[54:48] There's no sort of intrinsic value of being ethical.

[54:52] There's no reason for it.

[54:54] Previously, in theistic cultures,

[54:56] God told you so, so he would punish you

[54:58] if you didn't, so that gave it a reason to be ethical.

[55:01] Without bringing God back, this path from ancient India,

[55:06] ancient time, which spread all over Asia,

[55:08] and this path-- the reason you want to be ethical

[55:12] and you have an element of enlightened self interest

[55:14] is that these ethical acts shape your being

[55:17] in a way that is better for you, if you follow me.

[55:20] Not only are they nice to the person whose life you save

[55:24] or who don't abuse sexually or who you give things to rather

[55:27] than taking things from them, but you

[55:29] yourself become a bigger being.

[55:31] You become an improved being.

[55:33] You have a higher quality of life.

[55:34] You become happier.

[55:36] And therefore, there's a biological reason

[55:38] to be ethical, which in a way, is what His Holiness is doing

[55:42] in terms of materialistic science

[55:44] without challenging that irrational thinking of theirs

[55:47] about how they're not going to have a future life,

[55:49] because he thinks that's too much for many of them.

[55:51] And it probably is.

[55:53] And he's also not an American.

[55:55] He's not a stupid American like me.

[55:59] So he's being polite.

[56:01] But I'm after those kind of scientists

[56:03] who run around, because I consider that if you think what

[56:07] you do will have no consequence to yourself ultimately,

[56:11] however bad it gets, you just die

[56:13] and you have permanent anesthesia, permanent sodium

[56:16] Pentothal, permanent sleep.

[56:18] So therefore, in a way, it doesn't ultimately

[56:20] matter whether you're good or not good.

[56:23] It doesn't ultimately.

[56:24] Then an elite, a planetary elite that

[56:28] has the levers of power and authority and it's

[56:30] all of the societies on the globe that believes that, acts

[56:34] like that-- apres moi, le deluge, King Louis XVI

[56:38] said before his head was cut off, but he didn't know it

[56:41] was going to be cut off.

[56:43] Then you're going to behave recklessly and destructively,

[56:46] and you're not going to shift the planet out

[56:48] of global warming, and you're not going to prevent wars.

[56:52] And you're going to run around dropping bombs and doing

[56:55] things, because you think worst case, I'll just stop existing,

[56:59] whereas if worst case, you never know quite how bad it can get.

[57:03] It can always get worse.

[57:06] You will become mindful that any little thing that

[57:10] could be a little better is of total importance.

[57:14] And that's what mindfulness is.

[57:15] Final thing, Samadhiraja Sutra-- who

[57:18] understands cause and effect, that person will understand

[57:21] emptiness and relativity, who understands

[57:24] emptiness and relativity, will be

[57:26] mindful of the most minute details

[57:29] of the relativity around them.

[57:31] And they will be extremely careful to make

[57:33] things better and not worse.

[57:35] Thank you very much.

[57:36] [APPLAUSE]

[57:44] Thank you.

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Buddhist ethics focuses on skillful versus unskillful actions based on whether they lead to happiness or suffering, rather than absolute right and wrong. It applies equally to believers and non-believers, grounding morality in human interdependence and observable cause-and-effect rather than religious doctrine or abstract principles.
Emptiness means all things lack fixed, absolute identity—they are interdependent and malleable. When you truly understand this, you stop treating people and situations as absolutely enemy-like or fixed, which frees you to respond with greater compassion and flexibility rather than reactive defensiveness.
Yes. Buddhist ethics makes no claims about God or afterlife; it rests on understanding what actually makes humans flourish. The ten-fold path—avoiding theft, dishonesty, divisive speech, etc.—translates directly into the conditions for trust, cooperation, and genuine productivity in any institution.
Buddhist realization is accomplished through understanding and direct investigation, not faith. You are invited to test the teachings against your own experience: Does practice reduce suffering? Understanding deepens through both intellectual clarity and meditation, which stabilizes insight until it becomes lived wisdom.
Loving enemies doesn't mean accepting harm passively. It means recognizing that even those who oppose you are caught in suffering and confusion, acting from mistaken beliefs about what will make them happy. This perspective frees you from reactive hatred while retaining the clarity to protect others and set boundaries.
Meditation comes after intellectual understanding has been clarified. It stabilizes and deepens your understanding until it becomes embodied and intuitive rather than merely intellectual. Through meditation, you experience directly what Buddhist philosophy describes—the interdependence of self and other, the impermanence of defensive patterns.
In Buddhist view, people are works in progress shaped by causes and conditions, not fixed products. This means harmful habits are not permanent—they can be deliberately changed through understanding and practice, even if transformation takes time and sustained effort over many iterations.
Acting skillfully means making choices that align with understanding how happiness and suffering actually work: respecting life, being honest, not creating division, managing desire and anger, and recognizing that your actions ripple outward through the interdependent web you are part of.

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